Speaker A: Hello, Courtney. Hello. How you doing? Good.
Speaker B: How are you?
Speaker A: Good, thank you.
Speaker C: Morning.
Speaker A: Hello, Savannah. Hello, Galen.
Speaker D: Hello.
Speaker A: How are you?
Speaker D: Pretty good.
Speaker A: Good. Always the first to arrive. You and Savannah. We're good. We're experience. We're in the. We've been in. In the rain for like a week. More than a week. More than a week. Yeah. Like there's been like one. I think this is the most light we've had in the office in a week. Oh, here's Dexter. Courtney, you're wearing a linen shirt. So it's. It's proper summer now.
Speaker B: It's hot now.
Speaker A: Wow. All right. And envious.
Speaker B: I'm envious of your rain.
Speaker A: It's true. It actually has been really nice. It's nice to concentrate with, you know.
Speaker E: We are too.
Speaker D: It's so dry here.
Speaker A: Dexter. Hi. Can you hear us? Yeah, we can hear you.
Speaker E: I'm putting on a shirt because it's.
Speaker A: Very hot here in New York and.
Speaker E: I forgot that Courtney was going to be at this meeting. Rest of your office is going to be here. Sebastian, I feel like this is where we've gotten in this architect client relationship.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker E: Shirt on when it's hot.
Speaker A: Yeah. Well, yeah, I. One day I will. I will come to site shirtless and that then we'll know we've really crossed the boundary.
Speaker C: Either that or Galen has done something to you.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: We have the baby with us. So I might be kind of on and off.
Speaker A: Sounds good. So today basically we have a lot of sort of odds and ends towards the end of the meeting to go over. But the first. The. The first stuff I'd like to go over is a little bit of just the mock up review. I don't know if everyone's had a chance. I don't know. Dex. Cora, if you've been out there yet and seen the mock ups.
Speaker E: We haven't seen them in person yet.
Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Which. And. And a key thing from that last. That meeting on site was discussion of WUI considerations to see, you know, what else we could do. So that's sort of the main stuff today. And that is also. I think Courtney is going to be very helpful with that and has been. And then roofing, which we haven't decided on our exact profile. And now what we did is we had someone make a bunch of renderings so that we can finally decide so. And then smaller items. So I'm going to start sharing my screen here. One second. This title should not say conceptual summary. That's actually my bad. I just. I was the indesign behind this. So just to quickly talk about, I'm sure you guys had a chance to see those minutes. But Galen, Savannah, this will be refresher for you. But the mock up that Darren put together quickly was really nice. It was really great to see that full size. And the tone is beautiful. I think we hit exactly sort of the tone we were looking for. And then the concrete, I think, you know, we know the path forward. We still didn't get to exactly where we wanted to, but I think it's that sort of easier to iterate on. And I think we. We just basically decided to go away from a sealed finish and to try to go with some bigger aggregates. So when we're closer to construction, the idea is that the concrete sub will do a few more samples of that before we land on something. And then we were able to also resolve quite a few fireplace items. In terms of prefabbing, I think we're gonna basically prefabricate the whole thing, all the pieces of concrete. And Darren has this amazing idea of running the bench, the concrete bench through a water saw or a water saw to get that sort of huge river rock, big sort of almost like big terrazzo finish that we're looking for. And we'll do the same for the mantle piece as well. Now that's sort of the other update there. Anyways, this is very exciting. And then we also saw, we got. Oh, Bayo's here. Wow, that's exciting. Hi Veo. Hello. Hello. Welcome. Thanks for joining. It's good to see you. And we're just going over our. Some of the mock up notes from a few weeks ago and then the plaster work that Courtney, you hadn't seen this, but Darren dropped it off later or Darren's sub. And it's actually really beautiful work. I think, you know, we'll get down to the exact colors once it's time to do that. But the sort of irregularity of the finish is exactly what I think we should be going for in these spaces. And I think this one's really what you have to see in person. So pictures for now, but when you guys make it down there, take them out into the sun. And then. So one item, Lavinia was present at the meeting as well and she brought up some good points for WUI considerations. And so we've made a few. A couple of changes that were sort of the low hanging fruit. I think the first was to enclose the porch. So we've added a running concrete stem wall around the whole porch, which we didn't have before, frankly, was a sort of design choice of mine. It felt more classic to have the open porch. But of course, I think this is definitely, as I said, low hanging fruit and easy to do. So we've gone with enclosing that based on the meeting. And then also something that Lavinia brought up was just having these shelves on our facade, which I think are important to create the facade language that we're looking for. But I think there's other. There's. Basically what we've decided to do is to slant the profile just to make it, not just not have it be a shelf for embers. And obviously there's many other, like, you know, the bits of windowsill, like there's other bits where embers can land. But, you know, we've decided to minimize that as well. And then on that front, there's. It's a sort of a. It can. It couldn't become a moving target. All these considerations, particularly because the county has no requirements, as Courtney has informed us. But we've. There are, you know, Courtney has worked in different jurisdictions where, you know, the rules vary. Some, Some, for example, require non combustible decking, others don't, but it requires that the Porsche be enclosed. So we wanted to talk to you guys about how far we. You guys want us to go with this because we talked about it vaguely. I remember like a year ago or something where. Not a year ago, but yeah, I guess it was basically a year ago. We wanted to, you know, be responsible about it, but, you know, this didn't have to be a concrete bunker. So we've looked into neighboring counties and Courtney had sent along, you know, these requirements, for example, from Chaffee county, where, for example, they would not allow us to have the decking that we have right now. Right. So we, right now we have, you know, standard. I think it's two by eight. Is it two by eight? Two by six? Yeah, sorry, two by six, solid wood decking. But, you know, we could move to something to like a composite. In fact, for Lavinia's cabin, we were looking at a bamboo composite that has a class B fire resistance and actually ages quite nicely. But basically we, yeah, we want to have this discussion with you guys about how far we should go because, you know, right now we do have, I mean, it's wood siding with fire retardant. It's not ignition proof, but it, you know, it definitely retards a fire. And then, you know, if you go to non combustible decking, our options there are not beautiful, you Know, it's like a concrete porch area or something of the sort. And then, you know, we could. I think you're mother had been talking to this company. I don't know if it was through Seth, but the. I've included them here because the fire line, the frontline folks who, you know, they got, you know, sort of mixed bag but they got a lot of press because of the success of their systems in the LA fires. But basically we would have to integrate this now, something like this. And I think your mother mentioned it, you know, having these sort of splinter systems that have the foam that firefighters use and they cover it as when a fire is like 400ft away or something like that. So I guess I kind of want to open the floor there. Courtney, I don't know if you want to add anything before we sort of discuss.
Speaker B: I'm just going to throw out a few other options in terms of the decking doesn't necessarily have to be the composite. We could see about having. What is it? Non timber, timber products doing the fire retardant on two by six decking. I think they maybe already offer something like that. A couple other companies that already do. And then thermally modified wood. I don't know if any of you are familiar with that.
Speaker A: Yeah, like Akoya.
Speaker B: But the white ash is really beautiful and that gets us, I think to like a class A class Bs.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: So it's better than what we have. And it's beautiful and it's very durable and it ages well. I can't remember. I guess we're not. I guess we're. Is that color right on the siding? We have a sealer on the siding, is that right?
Speaker A: Yep, we do.
Speaker B: So you, you maybe have to consider sealing the white ash if you didn't want it to gray naturally. But it's beautiful. Yeah, gray naturally as well. It takes a wonderful patina.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: So that's another option. And I think that that bamboo composite material that's Sebastian mentioned, I'm not familiar with it, but it looks beautiful as well. And I think it has a class A flame spread.
Speaker A: Oh really?
Speaker B: There are some other options other than concrete. Concrete is just what is required to.
Speaker A: Us.
Speaker B: You know, in Slide Ch county, the other neighboring places. But it really just depends on how far you want to take it. I don't know if you're aware either, but a lot of hardwoods are also naturally have higher line spread readings. But you know, that's material that's taken in not great ways from places that.
Speaker D: I think the concrete on, you know, with a concrete lift. Now that we have two. So essentially we're. Luckily mom came to reading. We were talking about that little lip on the window sill. That's what kind of sparked this whole conversation. But it was the fact that a spark could land there, ignite the whole house and anybody who could mitigate that as the best option. And then Courtney brought up, if you're worried about that, then the porch is definitely a shelf. That is a massive shelf for embers to land on and start fire. So we talked about kind of happiness as far as people under ignite it. And then, you know, obviously when we close it in, I think that would be really smartly if we're going to have this open back porch, especially the south facing. How do we mitigate that? I think concrete on concrete with the lip and everything is going to feel really cold. I think it would be pretty ugly. There'd be a ton of concrete. So I would definitely vote to not have sepic. Last resort option be concrete. I think the bamboo wouldn't be a bad one. I don't know how it would fit with the rest of the wood and the coloring and everything. But we've used that out here. And super good UV rating at last. It's nice. It doesn't absorb heat. It's not like, you know, the plastic deckings and things like that. But I also just sent this other one in the chat.
Speaker C: Which bamboo are you thinking of?
Speaker D: The composite bamboo that we used on the yoga deck.
Speaker C: Okay.
Speaker D: And I used it on the side of my house as well and the.
Speaker E: Showers.
Speaker D: For a couple years there. But then it was also used in the lake house in Virginia. Yeah, it looks really nice in the lake house too. That's nice. But I sent this other one. I don't know if you're familiar with them, Courtney.
Speaker B: Yeah, I'm not familiar with that company.
Speaker D: But they take sustainable wood and they essentially cure it. So they like pickle it.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker D: And it's a natural process and it's supposed to be great bug resistance. It's, you know, UV ratings really good. They started using it on different projects out in Hawaii. I know they just did the whole like a big museum in it too for all the decking. And our friends are really familiar with it. So I was even looking at that long term for a decking out here. And you can get only there's a couple shades you can get color wise. You can always stain it and you can always fire treat it as well.
Speaker A: Which one?
Speaker D: Class C. So it's not like amazing, but it's better fire rating than most, you know, lumbers you can always fire treated too. But sustainability wise, price wise and just also chemically and how it's treated. And if you're walking on that all the time and stuff that it's a neat option to at least consider.
Speaker A: I've used. Well at least we've specified Akoya quite a bit recently for projects that are not under construction yet. But it's also becoming a thing here in Mexico. Even actually with Duratherm. We've been talking about using a Koya for the windows for this project and they really recommend it. But it is on the more expensive range of you know, for dirt like you know, Durotherm, you know, they have mahogany, all this stuff. And for them to consider it on to be on their expensive range. I think we are looking at a slightly more expensive product. But I think we should look into it. I think we can maybe even talk with Montana timber products about stain. Like buying some stain off of them and just staining the deck with that. A coil as well.
Speaker D: But moisture wise too. Going to have snowfall or any moisture hitting that deck. It might be a good option to have something that's, you know, more durable and treated.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker D: Naturally truth. So I, I don't know if you're familiar with it. Yeah, maybe you know, much more Sebastian. But definitely is something I kind of looked into recently.
Speaker A: No. Yeah.
Speaker C: There's also. I mean you all probably talked about this too. But isn't an enormous part of the fire mitigation the landscaping in the end?
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Keeping stuff away from the house, etc?
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B: It's just mentioned that because of all that U shaped covered porch, it is southwest facing and that it's where.
Speaker A: The.
Speaker B: Winds come from and the fire probably come from.
Speaker D: When we did our course for the fire on the ranch, it was. The main thing is like looking for locations that were like in the open fields and stuff. A lot of people locations that we were like worried about when we did that because when the fire department came up they were saying with all like the high grass around and the winds that the fire would go straight to the lodge.
Speaker A: So what's. I guess what's a little bit complicated about this because there is no regulation for, for where we are. I think we just get to pick and choose. Right. So I think, you know, what I would like to figure out is, you know, okay, we can make. Yeah, we can change the decking for example. But do we want to go more extreme? Like do we want to consider something like the fire, the sprinkler system that I was showing.
Speaker E: I think Lavinia is. There's some consultant that Tim and Wovenia are paying to do this analysis and everything. Or, like, you, like, specking or anything on a system for this building or getting, like, an estimate on it. So that's a question from Laminia.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker E: That there's, like, a foam dispensing system attached to the building. Then it does sort of, like. I think that you don't need to go super, super nuts about it if you're going to be spraying pfas out of the eaves anyways.
Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I guess for that. If anyone could get me information on what that consultant is doing, because it would also be easier to incorporate this into our design earlier instead of having it be sort of retrofit.
Speaker E: I don't know anything about it. I was just asked for the plans at one point.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker E: Because I don't think they're like. I can't. I can't tell. Sometimes, like, they're doing their thing, and then other times I don't.
Speaker A: They're just. I don't know. I. I can ask.
Speaker D: We definitely don't want to be doing that after the fact.
Speaker A: Yeah, definitely not. And it's like. I mean, it's. It does mean having these little, like, pipettes sticking out all over the roof, but honestly, I don't think that. I think it's kind of cool. So.
Speaker E: Yeah. It's also predicated on a series of system flaws like that we don't have water pressure that isn't generated without electricity out there. And one power line is also in the most likely place that the fire will move through.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker E: We also didn't need to have our historic so accomplished utilization. Even if this consultant swoops in and says it's only $50,000.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker E: If you don't have water pressure or power.
Speaker C: I wonder about, like, the longevity of a system like that.
Speaker D: Yeah.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: First, more kind of permanent design fixes rather than a chicken.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker D: So, like, set foot after the winner.
Speaker C: Like, not to mention the.
Speaker D: Yeah.
Speaker C: The upkeep, the maintenance of it. Not to mention the chemical elements hanging around.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker D: Also, if there's a significant fire that's blowing, you know, I don't know. I mean, if we evacuate, that's one.
Speaker A: Thing, but likely be that we have.
Speaker D: Some watching the structures.
Speaker A: Sorry, go ahead, Dixon.
Speaker E: Oh, no, I guess. I guess what I was going to say is I feel like there's. If there's a. Yeah. Dion, if you could Just take the question a little bit. Yeah. And say, is this something that.
Speaker A: You.
Speaker E: Want to have done? Then we can design accordingly. But I think the like, because then it's. We don't want to classate or making a lot of design mind sacrifices if that's going to be requisite anyways to you, Sebastian, I think, I mean, I think you're. Yeah. Just eliminating the. We try to achieve the best that we can without undue cost impacts and then try to make smart design decisions to achieve the same.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker E: Did you talk about putting gravel into the porch instead of making a concrete stone wall across the porch?
Speaker B: I was just gonna suggest that. It's just, you know, it's a different feel. It would be lower, you'd step down.
Speaker E: Right, right.
Speaker B: But that, I mean, that would be a really cost effective approach and I mean it would work really well.
Speaker A: Sorry, you would just keep this, the.
Speaker E: Board porch of fire retardant wood, but instead of putting the stem wall on the front, you would then the whole area underneath it would be 4 inches of SP2 or whatever. Right. So there's no flammable material beneath the porch there.
Speaker A: So you basically. So you're saying leave, leave the porch as it was. Remove this thing and just have gravel below.
Speaker E: I don't know. Does that work? Courtney, you know more about Louis or would you still get.
Speaker B: No, we still, we definitely want the concrete around because embers get up underneath. That's the main problem.
Speaker E: Oh, they go blow up and stick on the bottom. Gotcha.
Speaker A: Yes.
Speaker E: Okay.
Speaker A: So I wonder, like, you know, we could go again. I, I, I, I just, I guess what I'm trying to figure out is how, how much you guys want us to dive into this. Like, you know, barring, you know, a significant redesign of the project, like I think, you know, removing shelves. We've also pushed all the windows out so like all the seals are interior. So we put the windows are now over here when they used to be more inset. But I guess do you guys like going in and doing a full like kind of cost analysis of each change? I think might be, you know, at the stage we're at, might be a little bit complicated. So I guess what I'm wondering is, you know, with these changes that we're discussing, do you guys feel, you know, that we're covered to a point that you guys feel comfortable or do you, do you want us to, you know. Well, I think the sprinkler system sort of aside because I think that would, you know, that would be a great relief in many Ways. Are there other things you would like us to dive into? Do you guys want us to do a, you know, like have a consultant review this and give us their notes? Like, is that, how far do you guys want us to take it?
Speaker D: Why don't I write mom and Tim and see what they have in terms of that study that Dexter was referencing. I personally think if we can just take these steps to kind of mitigate fire anywhere we can. I personally would like to. I don't know, this whole systems of having sprinklers on the roof and everything else seem, I don't say overkill because I might be, you know, biting orders.
Speaker A: In a couple years.
Speaker D: This whole structure burnt down. But the effectiveness of that for the amount of work and everything else.
Speaker A: I.
Speaker D: Don'T know if it's worthwhile and, but I, I don't know much about them at all.
Speaker A: So. Okay, so, so then we can, we can say next step is to figure out what's going on with that.
Speaker D: These would take longer changes cost wise.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker D: Like assessing or bringing the windows out a little bit. Obviously the amount of concrete for that, for the porch.
Speaker A: Yeah, that's the big one.
Speaker B: Tempered windows everywhere will definitely increase the price quite a bit. And that is one of the requirements that I would say though is probably a good idea. That's pretty much in everyone's requirements.
Speaker A: Yeah. And we've reached out to the window manufacturer and let them know that it all has to be tempered.
Speaker B: The decking, I don't know, I don't think the decking, I don't know how much the Hoya is, but you know, the other two options that we've suggested, you know, it might be twice the price, but I think it's not, it's not terrible. And I do think either one of those is a good option that's, you know, pretty, pretty easy to do.
Speaker A: Yeah, I think we should definitely change the decking. Just find something that works tone wise. We're doing the tempered windows. We're going to enclose the porch and then we've created these little slants on our, on our slats which by the way are bigger than as designed. Like the mock up the length originally is around here anyway. So we're not really reducing. We just change that angle and then. Yeah, so I think, I guess we've done the big steps that are easy to or that are doable without big, big design changes. So then Galen, we'll leave that homework to you to reach out to Lavinia and figure out what's going on there and then we'll move forward once we know. No. Does that sound good to everyone? All right, super. All right. Moving on to more fun stuff or stuff that's more fun, which is the roofing options. So basically, and you guys would have seen this in the meeting minutes, but we talked about three different roofing options. I think the ones that, you know, we personally prefer are the recla and the standing seam options. So Recla is a Colorado based company that has this sort of aged finish that's exactly the sort of like old ranch feel that we were looking for originally. It's cheaper, it's locally produced and. Yeah, so. And it has a sort of like. It has less of a linear quality to it, which I think is nice. The cons to this is that it needs to be screwed. The tight. The screws need to be tightened every three to five years. And we discussed that this could be coordinated with the barn roof anyway because it needs to happen on the barn roof as well. Well. And any future solar installations would require penetrations. Then we have the standing seam, which is, you know, sort of. I would say the more. The more modern way. The more modern approach, which is basically zero maintenance. You can easy. You can clip any future solar installation simply. It's at least 30% more Darren mentioned. And it can be a little bit more complicated in the valleys for snowmelt. Then we have the classic channel, which is the same as Recla except Metalsales has finishes that we're less excited about when it comes to this. This channel here.
Speaker B: Sorry, doesn't it have the same color as the pro panel? By the way, did you happen to end up with my burnished slate sample? Because I don't have it.
Speaker A: It's.
Speaker D: It's there. You left it. Put it on the little lip of the wall.
Speaker B: Got it. I think they're the same colors. The channel and the standing seam both come in that.
Speaker A: Yeah, they do. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker B: Okay.
Speaker A: Just the regular. It doesn't have. It doesn't have the same as the regular.
Speaker E: Yeah.
Speaker A: And so we. We had these renderings made. They're not obviously the renderings, but I'll just go through the three. So we have recla standing seam and then the classic channel and then as well from far away, Recla standing seam, classic channel. And sorry that the mountains look so far away in this image. I couldn't get the render guy to whatever the point is the roof. So I. To give you guys my opinion, I was originally way more into the recla thing because I really like that look. I think it's beautiful for the ranch. It goes with the barn roof and I'm still really into it. However, I do think that a standing seam roof also is kind of beautiful. I think originally I was kind of afraid of how the lines would work with the facade, but I actually think it works really nicely. And it's also just in a sort of design honesty way. It's like this is where technology is right now. You know, this is the sort of the standard. And I think that's also something a nice thing, you know, to acknowledge that we're no longer doing corrugated roofs. So I could go both ways. I think. Alessandra, you agree with me on that assessment? Yeah, this was a discussion we had last week, but I'm wondering if you guys have thoughts.
Speaker D: Surprised? Sebastian, you're still against the sand.
Speaker A: I know, I know. But I'm a flexible man.
Speaker E: So it's on the existing lodge?
Speaker A: Yeah. Yep.
Speaker D: The only thing about this thing is I think sourcing locally is really cool. I think saving some money is really neat. I think the maintenance, I was really against that. But every three to five years we bring the barn anyway. It's not like a huge lift to go tighten those screws. But if we're gonna add solar, I'm kind of curious. Like I've added solar to stand and seam and those clips and stuff make it super easy and really user friendly. So I'm just kind of curious. Courtney, is it a lot harder if you're kind of drilling and.
Speaker B: I have it both ways personally. On my office I have the recla and I drill through for solar and on a new structure at my house I do standing seam and it loose. So I've done it both ways. I think it's really more about the look and the maintenance.
Speaker A: Dexter, what do you think? Cora.
Speaker E: Have we has set Titan? I don't think anyone's tighten the roof on the barn every 35 degree.
Speaker D: The barn is sketchy.
Speaker E: Exactly right. The barn is the barn's barn.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker E: Like it was put up there. No, it wasn't. Like I think like vertical siding. Yeah, I've heard this too. Like it vibrates and comes undone and so supposed to go there and tighten it.
Speaker B: But it's really here. It's our winters, our snow. On a shallow, the snow will sit on it and it will. Ice will build up around those screws and it will back them out. I've seen it happen. I have a metal building, but it's done it and it's leaked. If you don't screw Them re. Screw them every few years.
Speaker D: It is maintenance on this current lodge roof. Me and seth say like 2 years ago and it was the biggest problem was the snow buildup in that. In that little corner of the lodge where it meets the garage and the lodge kind of makes a turn.
Speaker A: The north valley. No.
Speaker D: Yeah. And it was the. The ice building up beneath the caps.
Speaker A: Like the, the.
Speaker D: The caps on the.
Speaker A: On the top of it.
Speaker D: And it was popping that off and then it was all leaking on the inside.
Speaker B: Can you run back to the.
Speaker A: Pictures?
Speaker C: The standing seam in the.
Speaker A: This is the recla standing seam classic channel. And then same here. And we are missing exactly those caps bell in these renderings. But I think.
Speaker D: Stan C7 looks more modern.
Speaker A: Yeah. From far away. It certainly has a more contemporary look.
Speaker D: I really like the same seam.
Speaker E: How big of a valley would you put in it though? You put like an 18 or 24 inch valley on the. On those. On the back side.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker E: On the south side.
Speaker A: Courtney.
Speaker B: Absolutely. If it's. If it's standing seam. If it's. I would say 4ft, 2ft on either side, maybe even 3. Because standing seamless with valley get torn up. Just because if you can imagine all those little edges are sticking down. Whereas it's a little more favorable on a corrugated because it's not like a protrusion. It's more of a roll.
Speaker A: Mm.
Speaker B: Let's do the other side again. What side is the valley pans are you showing in the rendering?
Speaker A: We're not showing any valley pans. These were. Sorry. These were quick ones for just the.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: But yeah, we would have.
Speaker B: Here, you know, that's the. The front side. It's pretty prominent. So that. That's something to consider.
Speaker A: I was thinking that because these are the south facing we would have smaller valley pans. But would you just. Would you recommend just going two feet for all of them? I would, yeah. So maybe the recla might be the call.
Speaker C: Instinctively. I like the recla, but I'm not.
Speaker D: The recla or patina will kind of age more.
Speaker A: Right?
Speaker D: It'll kind of.
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B: It dulls. Whereas the burnish slate color will stay pretty brown.
Speaker D: I like that aspect of it quite a bit. I think that's kind of neat that it'll help.
Speaker E: How are you going to the like right now you. Or at least in these renderings you've shown the.
Speaker A: Is the.
Speaker E: Is that new? Is that like mid roof fascia or whatever we want to call it? Are you going to do that and are you envisioning that and kind of like the flashing that matches the roof or is it going to be a wood band that goes across?
Speaker A: Right now it's a wood band. I think it's in this section here.
Speaker E: Yeah.
Speaker A: We have a. I think it.
Speaker B: I think it should be flashing.
Speaker A: We could change it to flashing. I think it'd be. Actually it's an easier detail I would say.
Speaker E: This is my knock on question from this was then like what the. What do the two systems do? What's the difference between like the Retlo way you do the flashing versus the sanding steam? Because would you then add like a cap on top of the seams? I guess what I'm saying is would you end up with all these extra horizontal lines and standing seam or would you with the regular.
Speaker B: No, I don't think so. I think you'd still. How tall is that Sebastian? Is it seven inches?
Speaker A: I think it's. We have it right here. Eight in eight inches. So.
Speaker B: Yeah. I mean I would want to see that just be solid. Solid. You know, one piece of flashing.
Speaker E: Yeah. I think heavy gauge.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: So there's no oil canning which I mean we see on the current roof and it didn't seem to bother anyone.
Speaker A: I'm okay with the oil canning. I kind of like it. Yeah. It's. It's. It's watery.
Speaker E: I think the domus. What Galen said. I think that idea of it starting to stand out less and less over time is nice.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker D: Yeah. I think if B is okay with it. Yeah. Be able to reckless. I think working with local material for at least the local source.
Speaker A: But. Yeah. How do you feel about that?
Speaker D: Yeah, I like it.
Speaker A: Sorry. I like it. Okay. And we can figure. We can figure out that flashing detail accordingly. I think. I think it doesn't even really need to flash over the. The secondary portion. It could be sort of a solid.
Speaker B: They make. They make all that material in flatwoods and they can make whatever detail you want.
Speaker A: Perfect. Amazing.
Speaker C: Is there color options that's probably better for fire too, right?
Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was thinking.
Speaker B: Color options are limited with the repla to the antique silver and raw which would rust like the barn.
Speaker A: Yeah. I. This is the antique silver we're looking at here. And I really. I actually really like. Because it's like. It's sort of like kind of like Lavinia's cabin.
Speaker E: Ish.
Speaker A: You know that's. That's more like old school galvanized but it's. It's more on that. You know, with the right cloud.
Speaker D: I just see taco Shop.
Speaker A: Shop. No, no, no. There's. There's. Or barn house. No.
Speaker D: I think it's cool. I think it's cool too. And I think the contrast of as that patinas, like the really, you know, kind of patina, rusted out barn roof with this one. I think it'll look really neat together.
Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. And I like that it's not necessarily mimicking the rust. You know, I think it'll be a nice little. A little conversation.
Speaker D: I'm down for either. Just not the classic. Okay, that looks like a Virginia.
Speaker A: All right, so reclad is okay. And you can actually see our little chimney there, which hadn't been shown in this rendering before, but. Dexter, you like this? I reached out to Rick Joy and he replied himself with the chimney details.
Speaker D: I'm impressed by your renders.
Speaker A: Well, these were not in house. These were actually because Nico, who works here and does the renderings, is on a three week European tour. So we've been outsourcing renderings, and then now we're moving away from the technical stuff and we can kind of run through this more quickly. But what I have this. You know, since the powder room no longer has a skylight, I have this sort of maybe David Lynchian powder room idea that I think, you know, as I've said before, I think powder rooms are a place where you can kind of go crazy because it's, you know, kind of irrelevant. Well, not irrelevant, but it's like where guests go and like, you know, the sort of quick. From the living room bathroom run. So I wanted to propose you guys that we just paint the whole thing red in the same. In the same. With the same plaster. And then in the corner. So let me change colors here. This corner here would be tiled. And then something I did here in Mexico once, which looked really beautiful, is that I had a glass guy cut mirror tiles, cut mirror into the same size as the tile. And we just laid it as the same as the rest of the. As the tile. And so it's just like this corner moment and then all in this sort of red stucco. And I think we could even, you know, find a red toilet and just kind of go with it. And the idea would be to have a sort of custom light fixture hidden behind some sort of screen at the top here. Yeah, this is sort of what I was imagining. But if you don't like it, we can talk. What do you guys think?
Speaker D: I don't like red, but I can bid over it. Room anywhere else, I think. I think a little bar bathroom like.
Speaker C: Like it would be in a nightclub, like in a sheep or something wild about it.
Speaker A: I have to.
Speaker D: I mean, also put a regular mirror in too.
Speaker A: Like. But.
Speaker C: But over here, this is just a guest bedroom. This is like just a. Yeah, I like the.
Speaker A: It's cool.
Speaker D: I think it's cool having something wild that like people could using like.
Speaker A: Whoa.
Speaker D: This is a. This is like a crazy.
Speaker C: This is like the color wallpapering their bathrooms, right? Like those.
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like where you. Yeah.
Speaker E: I don't know.
Speaker A: I don't know.
Speaker D: Core again lock, gas bathroom by the kitchen or whatever. And it has like kind of this red, but which is really nice.
Speaker A: Is it?
Speaker D: It has some other colors in there and I think the red would be really overpowering the whole room. And for. What about Sebastian, you know the stucco red that we're using in the room?
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker D: It'S like a mud, you know, muted.
Speaker A: More brick.
Speaker D: Yeah, like brick color.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker D: I don't know. That feels like. Yeah. I mean this look.
Speaker E: Yeah.
Speaker A: This different.
Speaker D: Just like bourbon. Be like.
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is. This is. I think Cora's right. It's sort of like a nightclub red. And having an all colored plugging is.
Speaker D: Kind of a fun idea, but I just don't like the red.
Speaker E: Yeah, well, I like. I like the idea.
Speaker A: I think the.
Speaker E: The classic.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker E: That like you open the powder room and you're like, holy, I'm in another universe.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker E: Like when you come off the main room is wonderful. And like, I think like.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker E: If you like do like two other versions, like different. Yeah, I kind of like the wind.
Speaker A: Chain version does feel nightclubish.
Speaker E: Especially the fact that there's like totally reduced surface area to limit your ability to do coke. It feels exactly like a nightclub bath.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker D: Yeah.
Speaker E: I can get the lynch, but that's because I like David Lynch.
Speaker C: Too necessary.
Speaker D: I think it was cool to put like an O to Netherlands and do like that. That painted floor, like the. You know how it's painted Africa style for young. You know, the butterflies and stuff. It be cool to like do something like that. Maybe like a. A painted mural or something in there. I don't know.
Speaker A: Cora, you.
Speaker B: There are a lot of water wallpaper options these days.
Speaker A: Oh yeah. I think. How about this? I can do some other versions of this, but I think for our so, you know, purposes now and as we're drawing out CDs, if you guys like the general, like you're okay with the geometry and you like the corner mirror thing, then we can work on color wallpaper and all that stuff as we move along. Is that. Does that sound all right?
Speaker D: What would you think the mirror idea does? I like everything but the color. And I really hope you're not thinking red lighting.
Speaker A: No, no. That's why it's yellow lighting. So. Yeah, I do like, the thing about a powder room is that, like, whenever you're in it, you're in it for, like, four minutes. So it's like you can tolerate new things. And I'm not saying we have to go red, but just as we go. As you think about this, about. It's like, you know, you can. You can take four minutes of something crazy, you know, so we'll think about what that turns into. Let me quickly show you, because Ali reminded me that.
Speaker D: What are your thoughts on it? Because I feel like you have.
Speaker C: Yeah, I like the concept of a. Oh, sorry.
Speaker A: No.
Speaker C: I like the concept of a shocker powder room. I. I don't totally love the red or the small mirror, but part of me, like, it's kind of drawn to maybe a pattern since there's so many, like, bold colors in the house, like, that are solid.
Speaker E: Whoa.
Speaker D: Is that the mirror?
Speaker A: Yeah. So this is. I did it at a gallery here. It was. And so here you can see the transition from the sort of dark green tile. This is really dark green. And then the mirror. So it's really beautiful because, again, that's not the place where you're gonna be, like, really looking yourself in the mirror. You just need to, you know, make sure you don't have, like, a beam covering your tooth. And then so you have, like, the sort of varied reflection on the wall. So this is. On the left is that little mirror bit. I think that's the only picture I have of it. What do you guys feel about the mirror? I hear you on all the. Maybe thinking about something that's not red and maybe even textures. Could I. Yeah.
Speaker C: I like the mirror. I like the mirror.
Speaker D: I like the mirror a lot. I think that's a cool feature.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker D: Is it weird to do a style with, like, the tiling that we could do? Like, I don't know, simulate, like, the rivers running through, like. Like that. Create, like, a landscape out of the tile, like, you know, mosaic out of the tiles or something like that.
Speaker C: I kind of get Bea's idea here of, like, doing something slightly whimsical, like painting. Having paintings or having, like, something like, maybe at, like, something with a little bit.
Speaker D: Yeah, maybe it's like, maybe the. The mirror is the length of the. You know, of the.
Speaker A: Yeah, I Think so. I think. Okay, let's. Let's keep this open then I think we can kind of go a little bit crazy in a good way with this. We could even, I don't know, like, if we could have, like, Natalia draw something huge on the walls. Or we could have, you know, or even the. All the grandkids, you know, like, all the. It could just paint with their fingers and do something crazy. I would love that. You know, like. Yeah, okay.
Speaker D: Or what if you mirror tile the whole thing. Yeah, that be so special.
Speaker A: I'm in just a band.
Speaker B: Just a band. Not the whole way, but just a band.
Speaker A: I, I, I would love that. You. If you guys want that, we can do that. Like. Yeah, that's. That's be crazy.
Speaker B: Sorry.
Speaker A: Go ahead.
Speaker B: What about, like, a band? And then instead of red, like a metallic color or.
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B: It was a little more neutral and kind of just. You couldn't figure. You weren't sure, like, where it started and stopped.
Speaker D: I like the sink, though.
Speaker A: Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, and I wanted to show you guys the sink because we're. It's sort of a, you know, variation on a sink that I've done before, which is. I think I've showed it to you guys before.
Speaker D: So you guys will mock up some powder room ideas.
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we'll do. We'll. And the idea is sort of.
Speaker D: I love the idea of it just being crazy.
Speaker A: Oh, I love this.
Speaker D: I love this.
Speaker A: This is. That's the sort of sync style. So the idea is to have it, like, wrapped in tile, and then it just has a very clean stainless top or something like that. Like, where. So we don't have the, like, nasty grout. So what do you think? Cora, you're on mute, but I think you don't like it.
Speaker C: Not my favorite, I wouldn't say. Okay, but I don't know, maybe I don't like stir sinks.
Speaker A: Oh, okay. Well, actually, I think you've got a circular for here, so. Okay. We can. So we'll continue going crazy with this, and we'll kind of. What we'll do is I'll draw it as more or less as is for the CD set, and we can, we can, like, change colors, change shape, like, but. And we will have the idea of what it is with price. Moving too much. Super. Sorry. Moving along quickly. Cora and Dexter, your two windows above the bed, this is what they would look like. They would have, like, a wooden shutter that just, you know, brings light in in the morning, and that's it. I think it would Be really beautiful detail. Then for the bunk room.
Speaker B: We.
Speaker A: The tone is, you know, we're still working on exact colors, but this is what we're thinking about, basically. You guys have seen an earlier version of this. Hasn't changed much. We just kind of made it make more sense. And Courtney, we're gonna have to engineer that bridge with Brad at some point down the line. I don't think it's an urgent one at all, but basically, you know, still the same idea where you. You come up and there's a ladder here that pokes through. And then you have one bed, two beds, three beds, four beds. And then the older kids get to cross the bridge and there'll be 12 beds. And we can play with what these colors are for. The drawer fronts, for example, I think we can maybe even bring in a bit more color. But this is where we've landed. How does it feel?
Speaker D: How high are those second bumps?
Speaker A: They are I believe 7ft, 6 foot 8 above. But you'll have a much higher. It won't be like normal bunks with just like the two little slats. You'll have a full. Cuz the actual floor of the bunk is there. So this will be a proper balustrade.
Speaker E: I. Lucio likes it. One is the most important. I like it too. I also like that at least the way in sort of the painting that you could. You could like mask where the wainscot is. And you could do kind of crazy whimsical like gravitatings or whatever on the white master of.
Speaker A: Yeah, like more kind of gy.
Speaker E: But it still fit within the whole system, you know?
Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Nice.
Speaker B: My only question is maybe like a little more storage.
Speaker A: Okay, well, we have plenty of. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker B: No, there's a cupboard which here you can't see at the moment.
Speaker A: Let me pull up the plan. Well, there's.
Speaker E: There's bench.
Speaker D: Bench storage along the wall in the back or something.
Speaker A: Yeah, we have a big closet over here. It's sort of. It's like a big L closet. And then we have all these drawers that go below. So this is. We were imagining this like the toy storage. And we could even actually make this. This be toy storage as well. And then the closet at the entry, which is very, very large closet. Does that assuage your doubts, Savannah?
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, Super. Any other questions here? Bail.
Speaker D: Make it super robust. It'll get destroyed.
Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good point, actually. Maybe we should have like. No, no veneer. Everything should be solid here or something.
Speaker D: Yeah.
Speaker E: No, no, no, they will bust the hell out of that veneer in a second.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: Also, the Wayne's coating could be, like, something that's maybe, like, sounds tacky, but you can make it not tacky if, like, that's chalkboard.
Speaker A: Oh, yeah, Yeah. A chalkboard veneer. Interesting. I kind of like that. Galen doesn't seem to like it, though.
Speaker D: Well, I don't know.
Speaker A: I think the kids would love it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Super. No, I think that'd be. And I think we could probably find a nice color for that. You know that company Wall chalker talkers.
Speaker E: T A L K E R S. There's, like, a whole company that specializes in wall surfaces for, like, dry erase or chalk or all sorts of other stuff.
Speaker A: Oh, wow. Perfect.
Speaker D: You can just replace the wood floor with a wrestling pattern.
Speaker A: Yeah. Or is there some sort of rubber floor? Wall talkers. Okay. And then quickly. And by the way, Courtney, I know. I'm. If you need to go at any point, let me know. I don't know.
Speaker B: No, that's right. Have you ever considered marmoleum?
Speaker A: Marmoleum? Oh, like the. It's like the marbly linoleum stuff that I've seen. Yeah.
Speaker B: It's like anti static, antimicrobial. It's great. Kids. You know, for kids crawling all over the floor and being on the floor, and they make it in great colors. It's pretty durable, easy to maintain.
Speaker A: I would actually be.
Speaker B: Marium N A R M O L E U M U m. I've used it in preschools.
Speaker E: Formo Forbo owns everything.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: Well, I think. Yeah. And I also remember the tar cut. They do a similar thing.
Speaker D: I think that would be cool.
Speaker E: I think if you go with something like that, I would even get rid of, like, the wooden base. That's gonna get the hell beat out of it. And you just have, like, the marmoleum, like, all the way down at the bottom and then, like, straight into the floor. Because the kids are gonna beat the hell out of whatever they reach.
Speaker A: I kind of like that. Like a tub. Like a marmoleum tub. But then we. And then we have the chalk above. Yeah. We could paint the whole wall with a chalk wall. Yeah.
Speaker D: Looks like a big heart yoga mat.
Speaker A: Yeah. It reminds me of this one. I don't know. Have you used this one, Courtney? The tarket. Okay. Yeah. Sort of the same thing. Okay, super. I like that idea. And then I wanted to go quickly into the curtains where we're looking here at the main. At the. I'm going to go to the plan. So we're, you know, we're standing in any one of the bedrooms looking out. So I know we talked about originally that everyone sort of preferred curtains, and I wanted to make sure we're still on that page. My idea for this area would be to have a centrally stacked curtain that then you open up to the right and to the left. And so there's something really nice about this. I've been to a few places where the daybed is sort of outside of the darkened space. So, like, if you wake up early, you can kind of snuggle in the daybed. Or if you. It can also, like, the daybed starts sort of heating up before the rest of the room, and it's like a little. Becomes a little nook. And also, you know, instead of having a bunch of rolls for every little corner of our bay window, you know, we have one continuous plane that, you know, closes up any thought. Yeah. And we could just have a nice, very simple brass, like a. Or, you know, nickel tube at the top that's just attached to the wall and keep it simple because we could do like a.
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Speaker A: My idea for this area would be to have a centrally stacked curtain that then you open up to the right and to the left. And so there's something really nice about this. I've been to a few places where the daybed is sort of outside of the darkened space. So like if you wake up early, you can kind of snuggle in the daybed. Or if you, you know, it can also like the daybed starts sort of heating up before the rest of the room and it's like a little. Becomes a little nook. And also, you know, instead of having a bunch of rolls for every little corner of our bay window, you know, we have one continuous plane that, you know, closes up. Any thoughts?
Speaker B: I think that's nice.
Speaker A: Yeah. And we could just have a nice, very simple brass like or, you know, nickel tube at the top that's just attached to the wall. And keep it simple because we could do like a hidden pocket and all that. Like we. It's. Oh, sorry. It would be feasible to do like a pocket right here that kind of runs the whole. And you can have a roll there with several roll down blinds. But I much prefer curtains myself. And I remember, you know, from our note, from our very original notes that you guys like that. But. Yeah. Curious. Gheun Bail for my room.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker A: You don't want anything to black you out.
Speaker C: No, I was gonna. I'd rather the. On the windows, the pull down blackout things that the ones that we have them in that parenthouse or everybody house.
Speaker A: The ones that you.
Speaker C: There's no strings. You just pull them or push them up. Because I think just for at least me, I think.
Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. I like the way I like these. Okay. And Dexter, Cora, thumbs up.
Speaker D: I think it's also nice in our room. You can figure out that you could actually then work. Someone could stay working at the desk at night in the nook.
Speaker A: That's actually really nice. I hadn't thought about that. Or you just kind of like put it on as a cape behind you. Okay. Bao, you sure? Then do you like these little guys? Okay. We'll have to fit those into the existing frame. So. But I kind of like that, you know, this is something kind of nice that like every room's gonna look, you know, it's gonna have. Because you'll have this variation. When you're standing outside, you'll see, you know, the curtains. And then in yours, I guess in yours you wouldn't see anything. But at night it would be a different system happening there.
Speaker E: But so then they're always Just resting in the middle for both sides.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker C: But for bear, you could have it.
Speaker A: Like next to the window.
Speaker C: For within the.
Speaker B: How is this on the arts room since we don't have the deck. So without the day bed, would it just go along behind the desk or.
Speaker A: No, the same line. So you'd have the desk back here and it'd be kind of like. I mean that's a terrible way to represent it. But like you have your desk and then in yours you would probably have to stack it a little bit more to the right. And it's just a matter of like figuring out exactly where you stack it. And you would have just like that. It also depends on what sort of fabric we want. I recall that you guys didn't want blackout coral index. Right. Okay. And Galen, do you guys have a preference?
Speaker B: No, we don't need them either.
Speaker A: Okay. Bao, sorry.
Speaker C: Just. Just an idea. Sebastian, possibly. Do you think it would be possible to make like a little tiny little like instead of having them rest in the middle, maybe like a tiny little. I don't know how to say it, but like a cupboard or something that they slide into and disappear into the wall or something like that.
Speaker A: The curtains, we don't really have the space to do a little curtain pocket. We could do a pocket if it's a roll. If it rolls up like in your case, Bao, I might actually like what I would maybe recommend for you in terms of. Because you. You'll have less light bleeding in if we do one big. Or like two big rolls up here hidden in a pocket. Yeah. That come down.
Speaker C: If it was one sheet or something, I could pull down and do like self tapes or like, you know, like. Because I do video stuff, I almost use it as a back backdrop too at the same time.
Speaker A: Okay, so we can do that for you. Okay. So veil roll down, green screen. Green. Yeah. That the color will have that same color for your tiles.
Speaker B: The curtain could also be like on the side. Right. It wouldn't have to be stored in the middle.
Speaker A: No, no, no. We, we. You can. You can go as you. As you wish. Like if you would prefer for it to be over here. That also works.
Speaker C: Would it be a split or one single sheet?
Speaker A: I was thinking one sheet. It just depends on what exactly we'd have to. So we would actually would have to figure out if we wanted to stack all the way on the left or in the middle, I guess. No, we could just. Doesn't really matter. No, it doesn't matter.
Speaker E: It's kind of a far span for a Single rod without a single support.
Speaker A: Right. So what I was imagining for this one is an intermediary support and then we have half the stack here and then half the stack there. But you're right, Courtney. If we go all the way to the left, we might have to have. But that could work where you have. Yeah. So what you could do, Savannah, for example is if you could. You could stack one to the left and then keep half of it in the middle. Something like that.
Speaker C: Support wise they use them in some storage to hang clothes on. Like that black pipe. Really heavy metal pipe.
Speaker A: Yeah. Like the rod thing.
Speaker C: Yeah. There's a lot of different materials. Sebastian, are we going to discuss the stove?
Speaker A: Yes, actually thank you for reminding me because I did not have that on my agenda. But yes, no for the fire. Okay, so onwards with this one. And so just in terms of locations, we'll change yours beo. So we have curtains. Curtains, Curtains, curtains. And we wanted to propose something simpler maybe actually the same as like the inset ones for the office. Just because you'll have the desk right at the window.
Speaker C: I'm not sure if I would put.
Speaker A: Cousins in the bunk room. Yeah, and that's another question. Like we could also for the bunk room you could just go with something, you know, some roll downs. Yeah, roll downs.
Speaker D: Nothing like child will try to scale.
Speaker A: Mm. Okay. And. And the good thing there is that we can just place them on the wall above and they'll just roll over. So. Super. And then we're getting into very to quickly lighting. I wanted to gauge with you guys because the offerings for light for switches in the U.S. you know, because you guys have used one gang for every switch. Things get pretty big pretty quickly and you get a lot of plastic in there. And I was wondering how you guys feel about this one on the left. I put the Forbes and Lomax one just as. Just as a comparative pricing wise. But how do you guys feel about like a very kind of like a standard commercial stainless plate with the old school toggle switches. I've become a big fan. Just like keeping it kind of analog and because I don't like having these. The more plasticky things like with the, with the flips, the flippy boards. But I understand this. You know, people have opinions about this. I'm wondering how do you guys feel? Yeah, old school toggle, less plastic. That's what I like. It's just like less, less plastic surface.
Speaker D: Maybe you get the fat ones too. You know the, you know the like you're showing the one. The image that you show looking at like the thin ones but you know, like the big. The commercial switch. Like a full quarter inch.
Speaker A: You know.
Speaker D: Just my opinion. It feels like something when you hit it.
Speaker A: Okay. Quarter inch commercial top this Forbes and.
Speaker C: Lomax one I like a lot.
Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's like literally so much more expensive. That's why I wanted to put the price down there because it's wild.
Speaker C: Yeah. There's so many fancy ones you can look at.
Speaker A: I think it's.
Speaker C: I think just plating it like this is perfect.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: Almost the circuit breaker one, you know, but. And then placement definitely near the bed. That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker A: Oh yeah, yeah, we'll have that covered. Yeah, that's. There'll be. And then I wanted to quickly talk. This is the. This is the quote that I never sent you guys. But this is a little screenshot. But basically we've mentioned the lighting designer to come in and sort of put together a lighting plan for us. This isn't necessary at all, but I think it would be kind of a nice thing to have and he would be able to help us get discounts as we discussed. I think it was a month ago. And also one thing he mentioned is that numbers wise for us residential, he actually only typically hands over. This is basically sdddcd. He's based in Mexico, but he works all over the world. He only does the first and half the second phase for US projects because it's basically what we typically hand over for residential, which is just the placement of everything in a lighting schedule. My circuits. So would you guys be interested in bringing him on? He could kind of work relatively quickly. He'd have it finished in three weeks. I've worked with him on other projects and it's been frankly incredible. And you know, it's something. It is a little bit late in the game. But the, you know, our lighting plan is something that's relatively flexible within the full set. So I'm wondering how you guys feel about this.
Speaker C: But like based on, you know, the light switch discussion and stuff like that, like the lighting that you assume that we'll end up kind of purchasing for this whole project and stuff probably gets. Where do you think, like what kind of savings do you think that would have for the project? And also I'm just kind of curious to hear just like what his lighting expertise is compared to you and Courtney. And if we kind of did this in house.
Speaker A: Yeah, well, he's. In terms of exactly how much savings we find, I don't know. I'm not. I'M not sure I can give you an exact number. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and he can. And he's very well connected. Let me pull up my. His. And he can go like quite deep, but he does all sorts of work and I think, you know, I feel comfortable putting together a lighting plan for this. The reason why I wanted to bring him in is because I feel like there's. When he's really good at assessing the natural lighting of a place, he does a whole, like the first phase is just basically doing a whole assessment of, of where it's situated and figuring out exactly how much lighting to locate. Because I'm, you know, I'm always very nervous of like spaces that are way. That are too bright, basically. And I think he's, I don't know, he's sort of the master for me of like figuring out the exact right amount of light, which I wouldn't say I'm a master of. So, you know, we typically do these things in house more and more I'm actually leaning on him. I'm bringing him into more projects lately because he's managed. I don't know, the stuff he's done is. I know it's really beautiful.
Speaker C: Does he tend to choose more expensive things?
Speaker A: Sorry, you kind of on the higher end, does it.
Speaker C: He kind of recommend that you get lightning as like higher end. And do you think in that way we'll end up kind of like spending a lot more after using him too, or does he kind of find the best.
Speaker A: No, he's, he's, he's. No, he's, he, he. I tell him sort of what we're going for. He really gets it. Actually, I, I hired him to consult for your mom's cabin. That was sort of on my end and he was really good at like just like finding the exact very cheap fixtures that I was looking for. Basically I just needed some help specifying things and he really figured, you know, he got, he got the message and knew what to do. Especially because trust me, frugality in Mexico goes to extremes that you would never imagine in the US So he really knows like this sort of. He knows how to cut the right corners, I would say on that. Sorry.
Speaker B: To me, I think it's absolutely worth it in a sense. Like if you've worked with him before and you came out to him and not in his design case. Just because lighting can really ruin your experience in a place, in my opinion. And also I wouldn't base it off what you're going to save because, I mean, you can get Trade discounts very easily in the US between the cast, while being a working ranch, between, you know, the working designers on the project. It's not going to be on what you save. It's more like what appeal is.
Speaker A: Yeah. And we don't. We'd only be going in, you know, as I mentioned, just first and half of the second phase. So I think it's. It's definitely good bang for your buck. But I could also, you know, if I could also figure out a way to just, you know, have him consult, you know, a little bit here and there. It was easier to get him to say yes to that because. For your mom's cabin, because it was a small project. I tried to do the same here. I wasn't even gonna, you know, a few months ago, I wasn't even gonna mention this to you guys, but. But he sort of insisted it. He was like, look, this is such a big project and such sort of, like, particular that I would really want to take care of it. So anyway, what do you guys think? Dexter, Core, I'm wondering what you guys think. And Courtney, I want to hear your thoughts, too.
Speaker E: I'm torn. I've worked with leggings designers who have been great, and I've worked with lighting designers who have added a lot of complexity and cost to projects. The thing that I do think is important is a light study in terms of the amount of light and daylight. If you trust him, in terms of, you know, the fixture specification and things that we can source here in Colorado, easily. Yeah, that would be ideal. I've worked with lighting designers in New York, in Houston, and, you know, they've also been on systems that get outdated really easily in terms of switching. I don't know.
Speaker A: Yeah, like, low voltage stuff that just. Yeah, yeah. He knows that I hate that. And he's. He's totally on board. So. Yeah, I totally get you, though, because these things. Yeah. Expire.
Speaker E: I mean, I don't even know what. What are you thinking? Since it's all vaulted ceilings? What are you thinking for lighting? I mean, are we talking cans or.
Speaker A: Mostly indirect at, you know, floor and table level? But I think, you know, in speaking with Galen when we were on site a month ago, I think having some overhead light, I mean, obviously in the kitchen, that aside, but in all the other spaces, I think, and getting a good balance there, I think, is why I would want to lean on him, because I mostly. I typically do not like to have any. Any light in the ceiling, I think, except for in the kitchen or in, you know, Wherever you need that light. But I think, yeah, that's sort of. That's my sort of standard as I design these things. Dexter, any thoughts?
Speaker D: I've worked with great lighting designers before. It's been very much worth it for the project. I feel some artistic and at the sense that like if you get it wrong, it's just. It's the 8 brand or what.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker D: Because it's not even the 12th that we're talking about here now.
Speaker A: Yeah, we're talking about. It's like it's gonna be like 6,000. Yeah.
Speaker D: That to me feels very much worth it not to get it wrong, you know, in the sense of the light even just for like a really comprehensive lighting study of natural light.
Speaker C: And if you've worked with him, I think that Courtney's concern of could be back.
Speaker A: Could be good. He's sort of a rock star in Mexico in a good way. He's not like a. He's not a pompous, you know, he's. He's just like all the architect. He's like a very sort of soft spoken and smiley guy. And all the architects I know love working with him and he's so. Yeah, I really recommend. And the way we do it is we could. We can have like, if you guys want to have some input there, we can have a quick meeting with him as well. But otherwise we can just get him going. Yeah. How does that sound?
Speaker C: I think it would be good.
Speaker A: You'd like to meet him.
Speaker C: Sorry, No, I feel. I don't feel like I need to.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker C: Yeah. Be awesome too. Hopefully at some point in the project.
Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. Okay, so I'll send this along to you guys by email. Sorry, Dexter, did you say something?
Speaker D: I was saying I agree. You know what? We want enough that you can just work with them.
Speaker A: Okay, perfect. Noted. So I'll send that along. And then I have a. I want to quickly just go through the. All the appliances and bathroom fixtures just to confirm because there's a few ones that we left open. How are you guys doing on time? We can do this very, very quickly.
Speaker B: Yeah, we probably have to leave it about a minute or we might lose time.
Speaker A: Okay, sounds good. So for appliances we have this wolf professional inline oven. And then we need to decide. We. There are. You know, this is like the sort of higher end line, the M line. We could go with something smaller. Then we need to decide between the gas cooktop and the induction. I'm. I'm not sure if we ever made a decision there. Do you guys have preference?
Speaker C: I Think we should try induction. I. I think environmentally and everything else, propane wise. I think I've always been a gas guy. I bought a gas oven, but I've heard amazing things.
Speaker A: I think it's.
Speaker C: It could be worth it. It's easier to clean.
Speaker B: I also think it would be, like, the way of the future, probably before everyone's gonna get used to doing it.
Speaker A: Okay, so go ahead, Savannah.
Speaker B: I'm gonna speak to that oven. It's really great.
Speaker A: That one I have used it.
Speaker B: Yes.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker B: The professional Wolf oven, that particular bottle I have used. And it's. The broil is amazing.
Speaker A: Nice. Okay. And then just the downdraft ventilation that we had talked about at the island.
Speaker C: I cut out. What was the consensus on that induction.
Speaker A: And then Savannah says this is great. And then I think we're all on board with the ventilation.
Speaker C: One question. I don't know if it ties into this. Are we doing energy wise, solar or geothermal?
Speaker A: Geothermal is what we decided on. Yeah. Then we have the sort of classic Bosch dishwasher, which would be two of. We obviously panelized to match the rest of the kitchen. And then we have the French. The huge French door sub zero, also panelized. And I know we talked about having the freezers in the garage as well, the extra freezer. And then this is the sink that I used to spec on all projects when I was in the US it's very expensive compared to, you know, we could go for. But the thing is, it has. The size is sort of unmatched. Courtney, if you know of any other brands that could work there. But it's nice because it comes with a whole, like, series of things you can add to it. Like. No, they. They max out at 42, 40 or something. And. Yeah, but do you guys have a preference here, one that you've used?
Speaker C: I see that one cheaper online for some reason.
Speaker A: Oh, really? I just pulled it off like the MSRP off the website. I'm sure it sells cheaper. And then for the kitchen sink tap and for all the plumbing, I want to propose Vola, which is a sort of classic clean line with really beautiful finishes. Dexter will appreciate, but we. It's designed by Arne jakobsen in the 50s and has never changed since. And it's sort of like my go to. It's expensive, but the quality is just really incredible. And I'll come back to this quickly. I want to go through the appliances, through all this first. And then for the bathroom, similar. I'm wondering how if you guys like the line, like, it's A very simple line, but in terms of feel, in fact, Dexter, Cora, you're in New York. You could go to the showroom in New York. The tactile quality of Vola is just unmatched. And they have really beautiful finishes. Like they have antique brass. Like all these more patina finishes as well. If you'd like to go that way. Right now I'm proposing that we go with a sort of brushed nickel look generally so that we can not have all sorts of different metal tones everywhere. Like so that the hinges are the same as the levers and. But if you guys want to go with a sort of something more muted, we could also discuss that. Any thoughts here?
Speaker C: I wouldn't mind looking at a couple other options just because this is a big, I mean there's a big spread between your like Polar, you know, Home Depot one you have here and the Polo.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker E: Something in the middle is Brizo.
Speaker A: Rizo Brizo. We'll look into it.
Speaker C: I know you love the Sebastian.
Speaker A: I'm not attached. I just love them, but I'm not attached. And then we, I feel the same.
Speaker E: About Brizo and I love Brizo and they're, they're a little more cost effective and they have lots of finishes. They have similar quality to this and they have some cool functions as well.
Speaker A: Okay, we'll, we'll look into that. Thanks Courtney. Rezone. And then.
Speaker C: You don't like brass, Sebastian?
Speaker A: I like brass. I definitely do. I think it's just a matter of coordinating it throughout the product. Like it will bring up the price for a few things where we start specifying brass for the plumbing. Then I'd want to also do it for the hinges. And you know, it starts, it has a knock on effect. But I do love it. I think it actually looks really nice.
Speaker C: And it's like half the price.
Speaker A: Let's look at Depends. I mean, yeah, there's some faucets are.
Speaker E: Like up to a thousand. Maybe the, the shower kits are going to be 2500 but you know, it's a little less and good quality.
Speaker A: That's good to know. And then for the toilets, the kitchen.
Speaker C: Sink, it would be really nice to have it.
Speaker D: Sprayer feature too.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker E: Which Brizo has some fun pull out features that are kind of, they have some like a lot of different combinations that you can do with them.
Speaker A: Kitchen with. I'll take, we'll take a dive into the Rizo stuff. Sounds good actually. I think Volay is actually kind of lacking on the kitchen front. And then for Toilets, we're going floor mounted, as we talked about a long time ago. This is sort of my favorite little Duravid toilet. It's, you know, readily available and I actually genuinely like it. So if there's no nays, then I think we go for it. And then just a Kohler undermount oval sink throughout. Except for the. The powder room custom one.
Speaker C: Of bidet.
Speaker A: Yeah, they do. Do you guys want bidets?
Speaker C: I've never had one, but actually, after being in Japan, I like it.
Speaker A: I think every single client I have has said those exact words. No, no, no.
Speaker D: It's.
Speaker A: It's. It's the truth, see. Well, we could just be the toilet top ones, like a little bidet. We'll, we'll leave. We can leave an outlet just in case, and then quickly, door handles. And what I'll do is I'll send a package of all this so that. Because I feel like. So that you guys can have a proper sit down. I don't want to rush through all of this, but for the door handles, I wanted to propose just some FSB handles that I think that also come in all sorts of finishes. These are the two that I think would be really beautiful. The one on the left is actually from a sketch by Wittgenstein, believe it or not. And it's a really beautiful. Here are the sort of different versions of it, but the sort of sort of rounded, tactile quality to it that I really, really like. And we can get it in a nice brass. And then on the right is a little bit more classic. Again, there's all sorts of finishes. This is a more sort of Bauhaus style one. This is all shown in the aluminum finish, so it's a bit more harsh. But I can send you guys the different finishes that they have.
Speaker C: I like the rounded one. I don't love the squared around.
Speaker D: Can you go to the wicked Seinfeld page?
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: I like the knobs too.
Speaker A: Yeah, I know you guys are knob fans, so I was actually looking into to see if they sell it in the US and it's unclear, so I reached out and we'll let you know. Yeah. And then if we wanted to go crazy, we could. This is a Nan's product that I quoted and it costs $6,000 a pair. But I was thinking what we could. I mean, obviously this was never going to be proposed to you guys. I quoted it for something else. No, no, no. This is. It's funny, I saw this and I was like, oh, Lavinia would love this. So I quoted it for her cabin. And I was like, how on earth does someone pay that? So. But what I thought is, you know, we could get our really nice lock sets and then have these. We could have some levers cast in Mexico if we want. And it would be in Pesos.
Speaker D: Wait for Cora to get back to C. That's the.
Speaker A: I feel like, Corey, you would actually like it, but it would be a sort of side project, like a whole thing to, like, cast these and figure it out. But I think it could be something really beautiful, so. Exactly. So what I was going to propose is that we spec something like this for now. I'll see if they have the knobs. Are you guys okay with these knobs? Yeah. Okay. And then, you know, down the line, if we want to try something crazy, we can do that. And that's it. And sorry, I ran by this, but for the kitchen, I know we were thinking about talking about the walnut, about bringing in the walnut from Virginia. This is in a very approximate rendering. Like, we're never going to get it right in the rendering. But I do like the contrast. We'll have to figure out how some of those transitions work, especially when we're going into the mudroom. But I think it could be a nice touch. And then I know we talked about changing that island top, and I was wondering if you guys would be interested in having, like, a big butcher block walnut top for that island and keeping the stainless, of course, for the rest.
Speaker C: Yeah, I like having butcher block wood.
Speaker A: Okay. And depending on what wood we use.
Speaker C: I felt like it would be so much stainless to do it all stainless.
Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. I agree.
Speaker B: HARDMI would then, like, go back to wanting to see the compost be in the butcher block. But that's just me.
Speaker A: The thing is, we have the. Our stove top is right here. Right. So that's what's a bit bizarre with all this. I. I do. Yeah.
Speaker E: That doesn't seem great to me.
Speaker A: Yeah. Just because of the staining. I. I personally and burning. We could also do like a half. A half thing where we do. We keep half of it stainless. And then the. The sort of island half is a butcher block. That could work.
Speaker C: If it's done right. I think that could be neat.
Speaker A: Okay. We'll continue looking into this then. All right.
Speaker C: Or if everyone else. I could just not care about it all being stainless. If everyone else wants it, I'm fine.
Speaker A: And still into the end. Sorry.
Speaker E: Do any of you know zinc?
Speaker D: Yeah.
Speaker A: Zinc is my favorite material for countertops. But is it easy to do in Pagosa.
Speaker E: I've done it. We could ask TFI their thoughts.
Speaker A: It's incredible because it patinas so nicely.
Speaker E: It's so beautiful. And it's just a little. Oh, less dark than stainless.
Speaker C: I would much rather that over stainless.
Speaker D: 1950S.
Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. Okay, we'll loop back to this one, then. Yeah, I think if we. If we go with zinc, I would actually really love that. I tried specifying it here in Mexico, and it was impossible, so. All right, guys. So that's it. Thanks for your patience. I know this was a long one, but I think it was a lot of, like, the little miscellaneous stuff that was still. Thank you, Courtney. Quickly, wood stove that. Living abroad. That would be good to have, you know, wood stove in the house somewhere. So we talking with Galen, we were thinking it would be kind of nice to have it in the kitchen space, to make it, like, you turn it on in the morning and you sit here to have your coffee. I think, you know, we wouldn't have to. It wouldn't have to be something as big as you guys have in the current lodge. But I think, you know, we cut back some portion of this counter there and put it in right here. I think it could look really beautiful also to have it in there in the kitchen. It's more cozy, I think, and it fights less with the vertical. I think having it in the living space might be a bit much, but. Yeah. Curious to hear your thoughts, Galen. I know. Yours, Dexter, or hey, Savannah. I think that's nice. Any thoughts, Dexter?
Speaker D: I don't know, man. I don't want, like, wood storage in the kitchen and then, like, the bark and stuff all over the floor. This is my OCD mist coming out. That is weird.
Speaker A: What's it like? I don't know.
Speaker D: It's also in the middle of the room instead of, like, on a cold wall, which is also where I always think of it, traditionally, that you, like, are putting it on an exterior wall to, like, fight the cold coming in if you're trying to use it in an actual heating capacity.
Speaker A: I don't know.
Speaker D: I'm a little frightened not thinking clearly about it.
Speaker A: Yeah, sorry. Maybe this should have been the first item. Yeah. Because I guess my question is, like, is the goal to, like, heat the.
Speaker D: Room with it in the morning? Is the goal, like, to have the view of a fire, like. Well.
Speaker B: Or is it, like, an alternative to, like, no power making food?
Speaker E: I don't know.
Speaker C: It's the last. Well, she. Essentially, her point was, why do you guys not have the stove in here Sometimes Electricity goes out, there's no heating. And you should have a way to heat. And she kind of was saying how much we use the wood stoves. I. I actually don't see us using the wood stoves that much.
Speaker A: But she feels like we did.
Speaker C: So it's having a way to heat.
Speaker A: The. Yeah.
Speaker D: I think Cora makes the point.
Speaker A: The.
Speaker D: Cora thinks that we do use them, but thinks that it goes in the living room. It doesn't go in the kitchen in that way. If you want a little cozy fire.
Speaker C: That was the point. Sebastian earlier.
Speaker A: But you said we could. We. It wouldn't fit or it wouldn't work.
Speaker C: In the living room.
Speaker A: No, it would. It would fit. It's just we'd have to find. We don't really have the. An ideal place to put it.
Speaker C: And just a fireplace just doesn't keep the place enough or what?
Speaker E: No, it's more at nighttime. You don't really want to keep a fire going when you go to sleep in an open fireplace. And so if the wood stove, you can shut it down, retains heat.
Speaker A: Yeah, I think.
Speaker D: Cuz like the easy place. Right. So it's not in the. It's not in the existing stove places you built.
Speaker A: It's not in the kitchen.
Speaker D: We don't want it by the dining table. Right. Like it's going to go somewhere in the furniture arrangement. Right.
Speaker A: In the living room. Yeah.
Speaker D: I think it's a question, like, what is that space? Right. Like what is the furniture arrangement? What is happening in between the column and the fireplace? I guess is my question. Right. Is it a lot? Is it next to the column? Is there like a solid backdrop? And then.
Speaker A: I don't know.
Speaker D: That's where I would feel like putting it because I think. I think Cord, we can figure that we could use it, but we use it on like it's a cold evening in the late summer or early summer and we want to make a tiny flat fire perform.
Speaker A: Yeah. So I guess question. First question is like, does everyone want one? I guess so I'm hearing yes. No, like, so I just want to make sure, like we're just not. We're not adding it just because we feel obliged. But so you guys. You guys would want one in the living room just to be. Make that clear.
Speaker C: I don't know what Cora thinks. I felt pressured by Mom. I think if we want one, we should put another.
Speaker D: Cora hasn't thought about it and it's running a lot apparently saved out of the house.
Speaker A: Okay, well, we'll leave this one as a sort of. Asterisk we'll leave it into the. Does that sound all right? Yeah. So we're not making decisions while we're fried. But a couple thoughts.
Speaker E: I kind of like the idea that by the post, but I would say with kids, I don't know if I'd.
Speaker A: Want to put it in the middle.
Speaker E: Of a room in a place that you're walking by all the time. I grapple with one like that and, you know, you get to know it. All it takes is the first burn. But.
Speaker D: But that was my thought in the kitchen, right? It's like, that's how I felt. Like tight corner in the kitchen and then you're gonna have like woods.
Speaker A: I don't know.
Speaker D: That was my sort of thing too, with the kitchen.
Speaker E: Well, I think you're right about wood storage in the kitchen. They're very dirty.
Speaker A: I was thinking we'd just store it outside.
Speaker B: Is there a way to shut down the regular fireplace so that you could sleep if you needed to?
Speaker E: If it wasn't open? If it was an insert? And yes, there are ones that have really cool guillotine doors so that you can close it at night. But that's not the intention for this fireplace.
Speaker A: Like, an insert would be like a. Basically, it looks like a stove inside of the wall. I mean, I personally just put the spark arrestor in front and go to bed, but I know that's not the ideal thing to do.
Speaker E: Have I shown you the valve portion?
Speaker B: I think I'm not the person just because I don't use the stove unless, like their induction, you know, there's no electricity. You need to cope with it. That's actually a fleet. But I. I do feel like I'm a little too tired now to go because we've almost been on for two hours. I think it's too big a decision.
Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think what we can do is we'll send a follow up email where we'll send. We'll ask these sort of. We'll leave these open questions and it will also come with interior elevations for each of your bedrooms and bathrooms and just the general interior elevation package so that you guys, if you have any notes still or like any pending things to just let us know this week because we are sort of wrapping all that up. Okay. All right, thank you, guys. Thanks for the long meeting.